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2012 Sea-Doo 210 CHALLENGER SE

2012 Sea-Doo 210 CHALLENGER SE

$27,900

Boca Raton, Florida

Year 2012

Make Sea-Doo

Model 210 CHALLENGER SE

Category Jet Boats

Length 24'

Posted Over 1 Month

2012 Sea-Doo 210 CHALLENGER SE I'm selling Sea Doo Challenger 210 with trailer or without trailer(minus $1000). Boat is in like new condition. Twin Rotax engines 310Hp. It's only 21/22 Hours. Boat equipment include: original boat cover, deck table, floor mates, audio system and bimini top. The boat used in lakes.

2003 Sea-Doo 230 Challenger SP

2003 Sea-Doo 230 Challenger SP

$11,000

Fort Walton Beach, Florida

Year 2003

Make Sea-Doo

Model 230 Challenger SP

Category Jet Boats

Length 19'

Posted Over 1 Month

2003 Sea-Doo 230 Challenger SP 2003 Sea-Doo Challenger X in good condition.  250 HP motor powered by a jet drive.  Recently wet sanded gel coat and referbed seats.  Brand new stereo, bimini top, grip pads, and high end boat cover.  Trailor is in good condition.  It has brand new LED lights and a new axle.  Please contact Hays Marine in Fort Walton Beach for further details.  I'm stationed out of state and they are storing/selling the boat for me.   Hays Marine: 850-243-7873 If there are any issues please contact me at 919-221-2845

2012 Sea Doo Challenger 180 SE

2012 Sea Doo Challenger 180 SE

$18,900

Green Cove Springs, Florida

Year 2012

Make Sea Doo

Model Challenger 180 SE

Category Jet Boats

Length 18'

Posted Over 1 Month

2012 Sea Doo Challenger 180 SE 2012, 21' Sea Doo Challenger 180 SE Jet Boat with 31 Hours. Bimini Top, Stereo,  BRP 225 HP 4 Stroke Engine, Karavan Galvanized Single Axle Drive-On Trailer with Lights and Swing Away Tongue. Very Clean Boat!

2011 Sea-Doo Challenger 1800

2011 Sea-Doo Challenger 1800

$14,000

Crystal River, Florida

Year 2011

Make Sea-Doo

Model Challenger 1800

Category Jet Boats

Length 18'

Posted Over 1 Month

2011 Sea-Doo Challenger 1800  2011 Sea-Doo Challenger 118 215 horse excellent condition garage kept .

2011 Sea-Doo 180 Challenger

2011 Sea-Doo 180 Challenger

$17,900

St Petersburg, Florida

Year 2011

Make Sea-Doo

Model 180 Challenger

Category Jet Boats

Length 18'

Posted Over 1 Month

2011 Sea-Doo 180 Challenger 215hp Rotax 4-TEC engine with 46 hours.  Max capacity: 8 persons, great family boat!  Navigates in very shallow water, no propellar under swim platform.  Bimini top and full boat cover included.  Excellent condition, very well maintained with all service records available.  New December 2016: Battery, exhaust manifolds, bilge pump, spark plugs, solenoid, oil change and wax detail inside and out. Runs like a dream and is ready to go!

2002 Sea Doo 1800 CHALLENGER

2002 Sea Doo 1800 CHALLENGER

$7,995

Palmetto, Florida

Year 2002

Make Sea Doo

Model 1800 CHALLENGER

Category Bowrider Boats

Length 18'

Posted Over 1 Month

2002 Sea Doo 1800 CHALLENGER This Fresh Water  Sea Doo 1800 Challenger is a fresh water boat . Upholstery is in excellent condition. It has been garage stored since arriving in Florida. Powered with a Mercury  EFI V6 M2 Jet Drive 240 HP. Comes with  recessed ski tow bar, battery switch, am/fm Stereo CD player and road trailer.

2009 Sea-Doo 180 Challenger/SE

2009 Sea-Doo 180 Challenger/SE

$13,900

Destin, Florida

Year 2009

Make Sea-Doo

Model 180 Challenger/SE

Category Jet Boats

Length 18'

Posted Over 1 Month

2009 Sea-Doo 180 Challenger/SE Only 69 hours! Priced to Sell! Single axle galvanized trailer with swing-away tongue, Bimini Top (Sunbrella), Hydro-Turf Mat kit, Poppy Boat Cover, Gator Guards KeelShield, Digital Information Center w/18 functions including compass, water temperature, hour meter, Satellite-ready AM/FM/CD stereo w/MP3 port and 2 speakers, Huge passenger space, Swim platform w/2-step ladder, Walk-through to swim platform, Dual access rear storage, Removable cooler under rear seat, Full wraparound glass windshield, Abundant on-board storage, Bow filler cushion lounge area

2003 Sea-Doo Sport Boats Challenger 1800

2003 Sea-Doo Sport Boats Challenger 1800

$8,995

Longwood, Florida

Year 2003

Make Sea-Doo Sport Boats

Model Challenger 1800

Category Runabout Boats

Length 18'

Posted Over 1 Month

2003 Sea-Doo Sport Boats Challenger 1800 The Sea Doo Challenger 1800 - a three-time design and innovation award winner - features a nimble design, quick acceleration, and excellent handling. A full-beam swim platform with ladder, pop-up ski pylon, and abundant storage all contribute the pursuit of happiness. Options include a stereo system with CD player, sunpad and a built-in cooler.   ONE OWNER, ALL FRESH WATER,  240 HP engine makes this sport boat scream !!!   This drives like a PORSCHE  !!!!!    Great fun !!!   Fiberglass floor, bimini top, stereo, ski locker, easy to load on factory matched trailer, and fits in garage !!!!   WOW !!!

2012 Sea-Doo Challenger 210 s

2012 Sea-Doo Challenger 210 s

$26,500

St. Petersburg, Florida

Year 2012

Make Sea-Doo

Model Challenger 210 S

Category Bowrider Boats

Length 21'

Posted Over 1 Month

2012 Sea-Doo Challenger 210 s If you are looking for a twin engine jet boat this is a real beauty! The 210s has style and pizazz and this one has twin 155 HP Rotax jets with only 34 hours on them! The exterior and interior belie her age; she is gorgeous! And, she comes with a tandem axle trailer! Equipment Includes: Snap in Carpet* Full Cover* Bimini Top* Dual Batteries w/Switch* Weedless System* AM/FM Stereo* Serviced February 2017* Ready to hit the water!!

2008 Sea-Doo Sport Boats 23 Challenger

2008 Sea-Doo Sport Boats 23 Challenger

$24,995

Rockledge, Florida

Year 2008

Make Sea-Doo Sport Boats

Model 23 Challenger

Category Bowrider Boats

Length 23'

Posted Over 1 Month

2008 Sea-Doo Sport Boats 23 Challenger, 2008 Sea-Doo Sport Boat 23 Challenger, Bimini Top, Compass, Ski Pylon, Cockpit Table & MoreFinancing Available. We accept trades. Call us or sent an inquiry to get more info. Every New and Used boat is put through a series of checks and inspections to prepare your boat for the water. This is a crucial step in insuring that you will enjoy your new purchase to the fullest. Information is subject to errors and changes without notice.

2008 Sea-Doo challenger 180 best offer 133hours

2008 Sea-Doo challenger 180 best offer 133hours

$9,900

Tampa, Florida

Year 2008

Make Sea-Doo

Model Challenger 180

Category Jet Boats

Length 18.0

Posted Over 1 Month

Listing by Auction123.com copyright Auction123, Inc. Motor Depot - 6950 E Adamo Dr Tampa, FL 33619 (813) 850-1818 08 Sea-Doo challenger 180 NO RESERVE 133 HOURSPriced To Sell Fast!!! Click here for an XL view of the above Image PrevNext 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 DescriptionBasic InformationYear: 2008Make: Sea-DooModel: Challenger 180Condition: UsedType: JetUse: Not SpecifiedTrailerTrailerLength / BeamLength (Feet): 18Hull TypeHull Material: Fiberglass ContactMotor Depot 6950 E Adamo Dr Tampa, Florida 33619Ask for:MOTOR DEPOT LLCCEO:(813) 850-1818Email: Email SellerSecure Online Credit Application Form Applying for a vehicle loan online is one of the quickest and easiest application methods. Our secure online application form is easy to complete, all you need are a few personal and employment details. Click here to get started.Email SellerEmail to FriendComplete and submit the form below to send a message to our dedicated sales team.* First Name:* Last Name:* Email:* Phone: Ext. Preferred Method:PhoneEmailMessage:Complete and submit the form below to send a link and your message to a friend.First Name:Last Name:* Your email:* Friend's email:We won't use this information for promotional purposes or disclose it to a third party.Message:GeneralDirectionsTerms UP FOR AUCTION 2008 SEA DOO CHALLENGER 180 WITH ONLY 133 HOURS BOAT IS IN GOOD SHAPE, COMES WITH TRAILER, ENGINE RUNS GOOD, TRAILER IS IN GOOD SHAPE, READY FOR WATER SELLING NO RESERVE HIGHEST BIDDER WILL WIN We Welcome Pre-Buy Inspections And Guarantee Clean Titles On All Vehicle Sold. We Do Not Finance! Please Commit To Purchase ONLY If You Are Approved For Financing Or Have Funds Available To Complete Purchase. Every used vehicle have some wear and tear. Please make sure to check the pictures. Please read the terms and conditions as they are part of the vehicle's description. . IF YOU ARE NOT SURE THAT YOU WANTED PLEASE DO NOT BID. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY OR FINANCING AVAILABLE PLEASE DO NOT BID. The high bidder will win. (Unless buy it now is used on this auction. Most of our auctions are no reserve unless otherwise sated. If you see the reserve and buy it now, then yes the auction has reserve and buy it now). SHIPPING INFORMATIONWe can gladly cooperate on shipping your vehicle anywhere you want it. With door to door insured shipping company to deliver the vehicle to you. Please note by choosing to ship the car that it will not get to you clean due to the long trip being on the trailer. Feel free to contact either shipper for a quote to your area. Fred Deschamps Beacon Shipping Logistics, Inc. MC# 772739-B 401-391-9834 or email at [email protected] or for out of the country shipping call 305-863-9040 or www.floridatradeco.com. RULES OF THE ROAD 1. JURISDICTION/VENUE: By placing your bid on this auction you agree and accept the following terms and conditions. These terms and conditions shall be construed, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereunder shall be determined in accordance with Florida law without regard to choice of law doctrines. You agree to submit to the jurisdiction of Florida courts for any action relating to or arising under these terms and conditions or your bid. Venue for any action arising under or relating to this transaction shall be in the court of appropriate jurisdiction for Hillsborough County, Florida. If any proceeding is brought to enforce a parties' rights under these terms and conditions, the losing party shall pay all costs and atttorneys' fees of the prevailing party. 2. ASE INSPECTION: Every car we sell is inspected by ASE tech specialists and described to the best of our ability. All specs, dimensions and disclosures are believed to be correct but cannot be guaranteed or warranted. Feedback is very important and as you can see, we have one highest ratings of customer satisfaction on eBay of any long term car dealership. Thank you for that and we will continue to find and offer you the best cars. 3. INSPECT BEFORE YOU ACCEPT: Extortion is criminal act and Feedback is not a tool for extortion and it is illegal to use it in that manner after a sale. We will not fold to any type of extortion after a sale. We are wholesalers and these vehicles are offered at wholesale to the public which frequently results in savings to you of thousands below the Kelley Blue Book retail appraisal. That is a deal in itself. 4. AUTHENICATION:.MOTOR DEPOT LLC will authenticate, qualify and verify ALL bids that are submitted on this vehicle. Only those bids submitted by ready, able and funded buyers will be accepted. Vehicle will be held until your check clears our bank. 5. DECISION TIME: The time to evaluate, to determine and to decide is during the course of the auction. The conclusion of the auction is the time to pay. Being the high bidder does not mean you have been awarded the opportunity to "think about it" or to "get back with us." It means that you have entered a binding agreement to purchase this vehicle immediately following the conclusion of the auction and that you have the funds to do so. 6. $299 Service/HANDLING FEE: All buyer must pay a $299 dealer service & handling fee per vehicle, vessel, recreational vehicle, trailer, camper or equipment purchased. This is to cover expenses, such as (but not limited to) providing in-transit temporary tags, overnight mailing and handling of all documents, courier services, requisite paperwork, and title preparation as well as complimentary pickup service from TAMPA International Airport to our facility, professional detail on all cars, fluid check and change if needed, mechanical/safety inspection, and most of all, the assurance that you will be buying from (MOTOR DEPOT LLC.) a licensed and bonded car dealership Not only do we save you money off of retail prices, but we wish to make this a safe and fun experience for all of our customers and treat everyone like family. PREOWNED VEHICLE 7. PREOWNED: Preowned vehicles are not the same as new vehicles. You are bidding on a preowned vehicle. Preowned vehicles are not perfect. Please do not expect perfection. Every effort has been made to deliver an accurate description, but it is possible to miss deficiencies. 8. MILEAGE: MOTOR DEPOT LLC. is a liquidation trust and it is virtually impossible for us to certify that the mileage is correct on the vehicle that we list because the vehicle has not been in our possession since new. The mileage stated in our listing is the mileage shown on the odometer at the time the photo was taken. Federal Odometer law requires us to mark the title EXEMPT if the vehicle is 10-years or older, unless otherwise noted. Please utilize the free to you CARFAX service by clicking on the CARFAX button in our listing. CARFAX researches the recorded mileage on each vehicle. MOTOR DEPOT LLC. will not be held liable for misnomers. AS IS - NO WARRANTY 9. YOU WILL PAY ALL COSTS FOR ANY REPAIRS: The dealer assumes no responsibility for any repairs regardless of any oral statements about the vehicle. This vehicle is being sold AS-IS, WHERE-IS with no warranty, expressed written or implied. No allowance or set aside will be made on account of any incorrectness, imperfection, defect or damage. Any descriptions or representations are for identification purposes only and are not to be construed as a warranty of any type. 10a. INSPECT BEFORE YOU ACCEPT: It is the responsibility of the buyer to have thoroughly inspected the vehicle, inspect before you accept, to have satisfied himself or herself as to the condition and value and to bid based upon that judgment solely. We are not authorized to reimburse for any transportation, shipping, plane tickets or repairs. WE do not know the full history of this unit so I can not predict that something is going to quit working or need changing in the near future, If I feel I would drive or pull this unit from state to state, then it is ready to sell. Although this unit runs and drives good, looks good for the year and I would not hesitate to drive this unit anywhere.... All sales are final. sold as is, where is, with no warranties written or implied. Has normal wear and tear like all used vehicles. This is a Used RV, I can not warranty or guarantee any parts on this unit not to be faulty, Bidding means you intend on buying, Please read ad, look at pictures closely, ask questions. Most of my units are driven/pulled approx. 200-400 miles before selling, if there is a problem, I have it fixed (or list problem on ad), I check motor fluids, etc, change if needed, Tires are checked and and noted on listing ad. I check out most major appliances, fix if needed (unless listed), unit is cleaned inside and out, then put up for sale. Dont assume this unit is in perfect condition, it is not new, even if the previous owner have taken excellent care of this unit it still wouldn't be in new/perfect condition. We reserve the right to end the listing if the vehicle is no longer available for sale. It is the responsibility of the buyer to have thoroughly inspected the vehicle, and to have satisfied himself or herself as to the condition and value and to bid based upon that judgement solely. The seller shall and will make every reasonable effort to disclose any known defects associated with this vehicle at the buyer's request prior to the close of sale. Seller assumes no responsibility for any repairs regardless of any oral statements about the vehicle. Most older motorhomes will need work/updating to get to the new owners satisfactory. I check most major appliances fridge, stove, etc. to make sure they are in working order, I do not always check minor stuff like every light bulb, etc. For some reason the pictures sometimes looks better then in person on the motorhomes, please look at pictures closely and consider the year of the motorhome to decide if it may be to "outdated" for what your looking for. I will do my best to make every buyer a "happy camper". Thank you and I look forward to meeting and doing business with you! Winning bidder PLEASE CONTACT ME WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER AUCTION ENDS TO VERIFY YOUR A SERIOUS BIDDER AND MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR PAYMENT/PICK UP, YOU CAN CONTACTBEN 8138501818 TERMS11. TAXES AND REGISTRATION FEES: All buyers must pay a $299 dealer service & handling fee. Out of state buyers are responsible for all state, county, city taxes and fees, as well as title service fees in the state that the vehicle will be registered. All taxes and fees must be paid in full in order for vehicle to be titled and registered. If the vehicle is shipped to you a by carrier then we do not collect any sales tax. However, if the car is picked up and driven on Florida roads, as a licensed dealer, we are required by law to collect the sales tax percentage designated for your State. The only States that do not have a reciprocal agreement with Florida (where you will be double taxed) are Arkansas and Mississippi. For your convenience when legally permitted we will provide a 30-day Florida temporary tag if desired. Florida State law permits automobile dealerships up to 30-days to transfer titles. Our title clerks wait a minimum of 10-business days from the date of receiving a check before sending out a title. If this delay is not acceptable to you, please do not bid on our items. 12. BUY IT NOW: In the event that the automobile featured in this auction is purchased prior to this auction's scheduled ending date and time,MOTOR DEPOT LLC reserves the right to cancel your bid and end this auction early. 13. $500 DEPOSIT: A minimum nonrefundable deposit of $500 is due and payable on or before 24-hours after the end of the auction. PayPal can be used for the payment of the deposit,Paypal adress is [email protected]. There will be a 3% surcharge for all credit card transactions. The balance is due and payable on or before 5-days after the end of the auction. Acceptable forms of payment include cash in person, certified check, cashiers check, money order, or bank wire transfer. Credit cards and debit cards are acceptable forms of payment, but you will be charged a 3% processing fee. Make the check or money order payable to MOTOR DEPOT LLC., our transfer agent. Pay your $500 deposit conveniently and securely with any major credit card through PayPal. Payments by money order, certified or cashiers check should be mailed to: MOTOR DEPOT LLC. 6950 E ADAMO DR, #B TAMPA FL 33619 For bank routing instructions for payment by wire transfer please call 813-765-0932 14. HOURS: Deliveries are to be scheduled Monday through friday from 9am - 5pm. No deliveries are permitted on sunday unless special arrangements are made in advance with our trust department. 15. BE SERIOUS: If you are a nonpaying bidder, you will be held liable for a $500 re-listing fee. I am looking forward to earning your business. If you have any questions regarding this vehicle or any vehicle currently in Tampa Auto Remarking Inc. inventory, please email [email protected] MAX 813 765 0932 Our goal is to provide to the public quality vehicles at drastically reduced wholesale prices. PURCHASE WITH CONFIDENCE MOTOR DEPOT LLC. Most of our vehicles are trade-ins from local Franchised New Car Dealerships and Factory Off-Lease Vehicles OR BANK REPOS . Purchase with confidence. Our online eBay sales are treated with the same serious, straight forward handling as local market sales. MOTOR DEPOT LLC. 6950 E ADAMO DR, #B TAMPA FL 33619 813-850-1818 Motor Depot 6950 E Adamo Dr Tampa, Florida 33619 View DirectionsAsk For:MOTOR DEPOT LLCCEO:(813) 850-1818 Email: Email Seller Auction123, Inc. (a service and listing/software company) and the Seller has done his/her best to disclose the equipment/condition of this vehicle/purchase. 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2011 Sea Doo 180 Challenger

2011 Sea Doo 180 Challenger

$16,400

West Palm Beach, Florida

Year 2011

Make Sea Doo

Model 180 Challenger

Category Jet Boats

Length 17'

Posted Over 1 Month

2011 Sea Doo 180 Challenger 2011 Sea Doo 180 challenger,2011 Sea-Doo 180 Challenger 215 horsepower Rotax 4-TEC engine 18-foot shell with interior carpet and a lot of fun on the water. Only 66 hours!! and stored under cover in the shade. Mainly used in fresh water. Well kept and maintained. Great family boat. Navigates in very shallow water and adds safety since you don't have a propeller under the swim platform. Comes with a trailer and is ready for the water. Price $16,400 Call Dan at 561-329-9374

2012 Sea-Doo Sport Boats Challenger 230 SE

2012 Sea-Doo Sport Boats Challenger 230 SE

$36,499

Punta Gorda, Florida

Year 2012

Make Sea-Doo Sport Boats

Model Challenger 230 SE

Category Bowrider Boats

Length 23'

Posted Over 1 Month

2012 Sea-Doo Sport Boats Challenger 230 SE We have all brands of used boats for sale at Destination Powersports. About Destination Powersports. Located in Punta Gorda, Florida, Destination Powersports is proud to bring you superior customer service for all of your powersports needs! Serving the areas of Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Bradenton, Port Charlotte, North Port, Sarasota, Naples, and Miami, FL, our experienced and dedicated staff are ready to answer any and all questions you may have.

2012 Sea Doo Challenger 180 SE 255hp

2012 Sea Doo Challenger 180 SE 255hp

$18,900

Sarasota, Florida

Year 2012

Make Sea Doo

Model Challenger 180 SE 255hp

Category Jet Boats

Length 18'

Posted Over 1 Month

2012 Sea Doo Challenger 180 SE 255hp, 2012 Sea Doo 180' SE Challenger, special edition 255 HP Supercharged 4-Stroke Engine, Cover, Bimini, 69 hours, trailer. Trailer tongue folds and fits in a garage. Interior in good shape with only a 1" sealed cut. NADA retail $18,575-$21,055. May consider trade for a 2010 or newer 19-21 foot Center console. $18900

2009 Sea-Doo Sport Boats 180 Challenger SE (255 hp)

2009 Sea-Doo Sport Boats 180 Challenger SE (255 hp)

$14,900

St Cloud, Florida

Category Jet Boats

Length 18'

Posted Over 1 Month

2009 Sea-Doo Sport Boats 180 Challenger SE (255 hp) 2009 18 SEA-DOO 180 CHALLENGER SE WITH ONLY 44 HOURS FOR SALE IN CENTRAL FLORIDA / ST. CLOUD, FL  This low hours Sea-Doo Challenger is in very good condition. Its 255 hp Rotax engine can push it and its top passenger load of 8 (eight) person very nicely. The upholstery has no rips or tears and the gelcoat shows it has always been garage stored. Fully equipped with cockpit covers, bimini, stereo, trailer, digital gauges.   Boat Test Captain's Report Sea-Doo 180 Challenger SE  By Capt. Rob Smith   First released in 2005, the 180 Challenger is Sea-Doos answer to entry level boating with a positive twist. Simple, really; they use direct drive which eliminates a lot of the associated maintenance you have with stern drives. This also broadens the area you can boat in because it only draws 12 and adds a margin of safety since you dont have a propeller spinning at 700 to several thousand rpm just under the swim platform. Dont get directly behind any boat as it is taking off as you still can get hurt being this close to any vehicle in motion. Direct drive boats also add an extra bit of handling and quicker response over many of their sterndrive cousins. Once you learn to use the direct drive engine around the docks, you will love it.   The power   The standard power in the 180 Challenger SE is a 215-hp Rotax direct drive engine. This 4-TEC engine is a three cylinder, four stroke 1.5 liter engine rated for a maximum rpm of 8000. The drive unit is an axial flow single-stage pump with stainless steel impeller and 6 ¼ pump diameter. Cooling is closed-loop, so the only raw water is through the jet drive pump which has Sea-Doos Inlet Clearing System to help clear debris if you pick up any when running.   The seating and room onboard   Seating is a feature you will appreciate when your friends all want to come along. For an 18 footer, she has plenty of seating with a rated capacity of 8 people, or 1440 lbs. of people and gear combined. In the cockpit, you feel like you are on a larger boat. I imagine that is because the direct drive system doesnt have to eat up more room for the transmission and mechanicals associated with that. Between the large sole locker for boards and seat base storage, I believe you will have room for all the stuff the gang will want to bring along. The surprise in storage was the access to the stern storage lockers. There is dual access through the seat bases on the aft seats, and from hatches on the aft end from the swim platform. I had two PFD kits stuffed in the starboard box alone. Over on port the battery and switch were easily accessible with the lid open. The main entry is across the swim platform and the center walkthrough, which is more stable and keeps you in sight of the